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New York's Winner Lands Half a Leg in Front of His Hips. That Isn't the Fault.

Andreas Almgren won New York on Sunday in his first marathon, in 2:06:01. In both frames we measured, his foot lands 0.45 leg lengths ahead of his hip. By the textbook, that's overstriding. At his speed, it's a long stride.

Drawn to scale: two legs landing 0.45 leg lengths ahead of the hip; Almgren with the shin at −12° and the knee at 150°, an amateur reach with the shin at −24° and the knee at 178°
Illustration: Flapp

We ran the race photos through Flapp, our running-form app:

  • Elite runners land 0.18–0.45 leg lengths ahead of the hip. Almgren is at the far end. For a 90 cm leg, 0.45 is about 40 cm.
  • Their shins stay within 13° of vertical, knee bent. Every one of them.
  • Amateur reaches in our test photos land just as far ahead, 0.42–0.51, but on a nearly straight leg with the shin tipped back 19–24°.
Almgren at touchdown, two frames from two photographers: overstride 0.45 in both, shin −12.3° and −12.6°, knee 150° and 151°. Race photos.
Almgren at touchdown, two frames from two photographers: overstride 0.45 in both, shin −12.3° and −12.6°, knee 150° and 151°. Race photos.

Same distance, different leg

"Land under your hips" works at an easy pace, not a fast one. Up to about 7 m/s you go faster mostly by lengthening the stride (Dorn 2012), so the foot lands further ahead. Almgren averaged 5.6 m/s.

Lieberman's study separates two things. The further the foot lands ahead of the hip, the more it brakes: Almgren pays that, like every fast runner. The further it lands ahead of the knee, the shin tipped back, the sharper the impact: that's the reach. A bent knee lets the thigh muscles take the landing over a few centimetres; a straight leg tipped back is a strut, and the load arrives at once. The authors' advice: land with "a relatively vertical tibia."

Each dot is one touchdown frame. Green: the range Flapp grades a landing photo against; amber: on the edge.
Each dot is one touchdown frame. Green: the range Flapp grades a landing photo against; amber: on the edge.
TouchdownOverstrideShinKnee
Almgren, NYC 2026 (2 frames)0.45−12.3°, −12.6°150°, 151°
Paige Wood, NYC 20260.39−3°137°
McClain, NYC 2026 ¹0.38−6°145°
Eliud Kipchoge, NYC 20250.34−3°144°
Kiptum, Chicago 20230.37−12°158°
Pros, Chicago 2026 ²0.23, 0.180°, +13°153°, 131°
Amateur reaches, our test set0.42–0.51−19° to −24°157–178°

Overstride in leg lengths ahead of the hip. Shin: negative means the foot landed ahead of the knee. ¹ Shot from three-quarters in front, which shortens the overstride. ² Not identified.

Paige Wood, eighth this year, and Eliud Kipchoge in New York 2025, his last major: overstride 0.39 and 0.34, shin −3° on both. Race photos.
Paige Wood, eighth this year, and Eliud Kipchoge in New York 2025, his last major: overstride 0.39 and 0.34, shin −3° on both. Race photos.
Jess McClain, second, with Hellen Obiri behind: overstride 0.38, shin −6°. Shot from three-quarters in front, so read only the landing leg. Race photo.
Jess McClain, second, with Hellen Obiri behind: overstride 0.38, shin −6°. Shot from three-quarters in front, so read only the landing leg. Race photo.
The late Kelvin Kiptum at Chicago 2023, the race of his world record: overstride 0.37, shin −12°. Photo: Chad Veal, CC BY-SA 4.0, via Wikimedia Commons; overlay by Flapp, same licence.
The late Kelvin Kiptum at Chicago 2023, the race of his world record: overstride 0.37, shin −12°. Photo: Chad Veal, CC BY-SA 4.0, via Wikimedia Commons; overlay by Flapp, same licence.

Two frames, one number

Almgren's two frames come from different photographers at different spots and agree within a degree: overstride 0.448 and 0.445, shin −12.3° and −12.6°. Either he lands the same way every stride, or both caught the same step. Either way, two cameras gave one answer.

Our band calls him "on the edge"

Flapp treats a shin within 10° of vertical as fine. Almgren (−12.3°, −12.6°) and Kiptum (−11.7°) come out amber. The band was set at everyday paces; at 5.6 m/s a little more lean may be normal. Eight elite frames aren't enough to move it.

Heel or midfoot?

Flapp read one Almgren frame as midfoot and the other as heel, with knee, hip and shin matching within 1.5°. From a single frame, foot strike is a coin toss. Most marathoners at the 2017 World Championships landed heel first anyway (Hanley 2019). The heel isn't the problem. The shin might be.

Check your own

Film or photograph yourself side-on at the instant your foot lands:

  1. Shin within ~10° of vertical, knee bent: you land like the elites, however far ahead of the hip.
  2. Shin back 15° or more, knee nearly straight: that's the reach. Try a slightly quicker cadence (see overstriding).
What you get in Flapp: the same Almgren frame. Shin −13°, on the edge; overstride shown, not scored.
What you get in Flapp: the same Almgren frame. Shin −13°, on the edge; overstride shown, not scored.

Try it in Flapp

How we measured

Flapp's pose model finds the hip, knee, ankle, heel and toe. At touchdown it measures the hip-to-ankle distance in leg lengths, the shin's angle and the knee; a far landing leg is measured from its own hip. We used only side-on frames at the instant of landing. Chepkirui, Obiri and Kipruto were only in flight or at push-off in our photos, so they're out. Eleven frames: examples, not a study.

Sources

  1. Lieberman, D. E., Warrener, A. G., Wang, J. & Castillo, E. R. (2015). Effects of stride frequency and foot position at landing on braking force, hip torque, impact peak force and the metabolic cost of running in humans (Journal of Experimental Biology, 218, 3406–3414)Fourteen runners at 3.0 m/s: landing further ahead of the hip went with larger braking forces; landing further ahead of the knee, with higher impact peaks and loading rates. The authors suggest landing at the end of swing with a relatively vertical tibia.
  2. Dorn, T. W., Schache, A. G. & Pandy, M. G. (2012). Muscular strategy shift in human running: dependence of running speed on hip and ankle muscle performance (Journal of Experimental Biology, 215, 1944–1956)Up to about 7 m/s, runners go faster mainly by lengthening the stride; only above that does stride frequency take over.
  3. Hanley, B., Bissas, A., Merlino, S. & Gruber, A. H. (2019). Most marathon runners at the 2017 IAAF World Championships were rearfoot strikers, and most did not change footstrike pattern (Journal of Biomechanics, 92, 54–60)Rearfoot striking was the most common pattern in both world-championship marathons (never under 54% of the men or 67% of the women); forefoot striking was rare.

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